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Thoughts From Alan Hirsch

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Alan Hirsch

Alan Hirsch

Last week I traveled to Kidderminster to hear Alan Hirsch, author of The Forgotten Ways and co-author or The Shaping of Things to Come, speak to a group of Together in Mission master class students. I promised that I would be coming back here to list some of the poignant thoughts from the time. Maybe some of these will spark some discussion? Here’s some of what I found fascinating about this time.

Jesus

  • We’ve lived in 17 centuries of Christianity, this is the first time we’ve been post-Christian.
  • The path of innovation: Innovators -> Early Adopters -> Adopters -> Late Adopters -> Resistors.
  • Our credibility is gone because of preconceived ideas of Christianity. So, “Shhhhh.” Live it.
  • Christianity takes constantly going back to Jesus.
  • Christianity - Jesus = Religion. Religion is the very thing that Jesus came to save us from.
  • What if Jesus did turn up? Religious people didn’t like him. His harshest criticism was for the religious.
  • How do we become people of The Way again?
  • Paulinism seeks to replace Jesus with Paul. Paul is not our savior.

Making Disciples

  • Romantic love isn’t enough. Sacrificial love is.
  • Become like Christ, but keep your personality intact!
  • Engage others…life on life.
  • The problem with “seeker-sensitive” is that is misunderstands the Great Commission as an evangelistic text, which it is not. Our goal: discipleship.
  • Meaning, identity, purpose, belonging. Advertising reaches into our faith.
  • If you believe something to be true, you must be changed by it.
  • The ART of disciple making is gone. People cannot be entertained into discipleship.

Incarnational Missional Impulse

  • A system’s weakest point determines its overall strength.
  • Church currently operates under the idea of evangelistic attraction.
  • If you’re idea of success in church is institutional, then you will measure in numbers, maturity, money, and resources. This is not good for crossing boundaries. It leads to evangelism with the expectation of joining that particular church.
  • Think of a zygote. The question isn’t “How can we grow.” It’s “How can we multiply.” Start with multiplication in mind.
  • “I’ve never seen a church that starts with Bible study become missional, but I’ve seen missional churches have Bible studies.”
  • Plant a movement, not a church. When thinking missionally, think, “What is good news for these people? What is church for these people?” What is their real search?
  • “All our vices are virtues gone wrong.” C.S. Lewis

Adventure in the Venture

  • Communitas: living within a common ordeal
  • Liminality: unfamiliar territory, pushed to the margin, forced to restructure, associates become comrades, relationships are restructured
  • Losing together is also bonding. Find comradeship in shared events.
  • Adventure is good for the human soul
  • In relationship to God, we’re all the feminine (receivers)
  • One will not find a solution until one finds the uncomfort of the problem

Apostolic Environment

  • Without a missional leadership, you will not get mission
  • Apostle: a person who generates - sniffs the wind for what’s coming
  • Prophet: challenges the status, has an ear to God, speaks with insight and challenge
  • Evangelist: recruiters, infectious, creates movements
  • Shepherd: creates community and connectedness
  • Teacher: disperses wisdom and understanding
  • A leader creates an environment, a vibe and has inspirational authority
  • The cross is not coercion, it’s a drawing in
  • Real leadership disturbs the system - a leader is not going to be popular
  • Apostolic job description: missional, seeds DNA, guards DNA, is a sentinel
  • The more complicated one makes church, the more the church is slowed down
  • What we’re not maturing: (Ephesians 4) apostles, prophets, evangelists have been sidelined
  • Leadership is a calling within a calling

Organic Systems

  • Characteristics of a movement: 1) There’s a vibe 2) There’s a chaordic structured network 3) It seems to spread like a virus 4) There’s a commitment to reproducing the church

Still with me? Wow, that’s a lot to pack in to one full day and the morning of a second. I was writing furiously and listening intently. Now I’m off to begin reading his book. I’m intrigued and I like that didn’t just accept everything he said, but rather, and ready to work this stuff out - because that’s part of the fun.

So, any thoughts sparked? Anything that made you think? Let’s start a conversation in the comments.

6 Responses to “Thoughts From Alan Hirsch”

  1. Kevin Says:

    I was intrigued by his use of “The Way.” For some reason, I can’t get it out of my head. I want to really consider why it’s lodged in there.

  2. Johnny Laird Says:

    Thanks for the breakdown…

    Pax

    J

  3. Kevin Says:

    Sure thing. I totally am skimming the surface it seems. There was so much to take in. Started diving into the book this AM.

  4. Johnny Laird Says:

    Yup. There’s a lot to take on board.

    Thanks for passing by my blog

    J

  5. Dan Says:

    Thanks for sharing this Kevin. Wish I could have been there to hear it.

    I have heard a lot of folks lately referring to The Way. I think part of this is our generations negative reaction to the label Christian. But a lot of it is getting back to a more biblical way of describing things as a way of life and not about a label or a set of rules you have to follow to be able to apply the label.

    I heard Kevin Kelly speak a couple of years ago at Q and he talked about Christianity in 1000 Years. It was mind blowing to think that we are only 30 generations away from Jesus and how quickly culture changes from generation to generation.

    There’s probably a lot more to “The Way”. What else have you been thinking about lately?

  6. Kevin Says:

    Dan, I totally agree about “The Way” being attractive as a part of a negative reaction toward the label. I feel that within myself even. I believe we’re living in a time of people who would rather let their faith be demonstrated than labeled. Not that previous generations have gotten something wrong - just that, as you said, times change so quickly - cultures shift so dramatically it seems.

    I’ve also lately been thinking a lot about discipleship (thanks again to Alan Hirsch for starting me down that road). What do you think that word means in today, Daniel? I’ll refer back to the bit from above:

    The problem with “seeker-sensitive” is that is misunderstands the Great Commission as an evangelistic text, which it is not. Our goal: discipleship.

    What you think?

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